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« on: March 14, 2007, 02:45:56 am »

HI Dale Everything one learns has a place. What determines its usefulness to each person depends on - mainly - their primary goal .Is it to play written classical music? Is it to progress in creating and understanding chord patterns to create accompaniments to popular ballad type songs? Or Blues, or rock? (each have different accompaniment styles )

I usually advise students to tell me what they are most interested in aiming towards. The pop left hand course happens to be a little easier than a rock style left hand ( faster therefore another factor making that harder) or blues (slower but always requiring 2 simultaneous fingers in left hand - though a beginners version can be done single left hand notes ) and so on ..So learning at least the basics of a pop style accompaniment is preferable to  starting with jazz blues or rock.

Judging by what you’ve said personally - it sounds like
1) Reading in your left hand should be a priority - you should download the "shoot down the notes " program -
2) Learning right hand chords is an advanced step when you still are not fluently playing at least basic left hand chord patterns - as you are going to have to not only play the right hand chords but also fit in the melodic line - all in the right hand

Generally if focusing on that method  ( carrying the chord in the right hand ) rather than the goals of the left hand pop ballad intro course which focus on improving left hand technique quite rapidly, another simpler approach is used on left hand . Then one focus for instance on just playing left hand octaves on the first beat ion beginning rather than fifths or creating a left hand rhythm pattern - only a very advanced player could achieve right hand chord/ melody integration as well as left hand rhythmic 5th and octave patterns

One has to remember a teacher can only go on what you tell them. Also however some teachers have predefined methods and don’t like to step outside of that .....When it comes to chord patterns a teacher might ( teacher orientated towards contemporary music )- have their own system for learning accompaniment styles


Re your question 2 octave scale patterns - .If one can play one octave moving the hand and independent fingers are being achieved
Playing left and right hand together, because the hands move at different times. it would be useful to achieving chord patterns but only in a roundabout way - once again one needs to set priorities - so you should discuss those with your teacher if you haven’t already ......a suggestion might be you could for instance choose to do just one key for now leaving you time to focus on other things too , rather than spending 30 mins or  so struggling with different keys.....but you should discuss with your teacher - I’ve had pupils [play contemporary music very successfully without playing 2 octave scales without playing 2 octave scales hands together ....i don’t want to put a spanner in the works for you -  Cheesy but you did ask.  Cheesy
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2007, 04:35:29 pm »

Ok, Thank you Mike. I mostly just want to be able to play all kinds of music that you see in popular Fake Books. Like the beatles, old time rock and roll, some blues, etc. The teacher I went to said that the 2 octave scales are good for getting people used to the keyboard. He just has me doing C for right now, but he said that he also wants me to learn all chords and there inversions starting with the major and minor chords first before going onto the sevenths, etc.
I do know about how to go from root up 4 half steps for your 3rd, then 3 half steps for your 5th to get a Major, and root go up 3 half steps for your 3rd then 4 half steps for your 5th to get a minor.
So all I have to do now is just learn the inversions.
I can read treble clef pretty good. Still learning the bass. He said to get the first inversion, remember the phrase meet me at the top of the gap. Then he said you will see a gap in the chord with the root being at the top of that gap.
I will get that program you mentioned above for learning the bass clef too. Thank You.
I have the 2 octave scale pretty good in my right hand now, but still struggling a little with the left one.
Dunno if I will be ready by Monday to do it 2 hands for him. But, I will try.

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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2007, 10:45:13 pm »

Ok, Thank you Mike. I mostly just want to be able to play all kinds of music that you see in popular Fake Books. Like the beatles, old time rock and roll, some blues, etc. The teacher I went to said that the 2 octave scales are good for getting people used to the keyboard. He just has me doing C for right now, but he said that he also wants me to learn all chords and there inversions starting with the major and minor chords first before going onto the sevenths, etc.
I do know about how to go from root up 4 half steps for your 3rd, then 3 half steps for your 5th to get a Major, and root go up 3 half steps for your 3rd then 4 half steps for your 5th to get a minor.
So all I have to do now is just learn the inversions.
I can read treble clef pretty good. Still learning the bass. He said to get the first inversion, remember the phrase meet me at the top of the gap. Then he said you will see a gap in the chord with the root being at the top of that gap.
I will get that program you mentioned above for learning the bass clef too. Thank You.
I have the 2 octave scale pretty good in my right hand now, but still struggling a little with the left one.
Dunno if I will be ready by Monday to do it 2 hands for him. But, I will try.

Dale
Ok now I get the picture more ..your teacher is being very thorough which is great . I would take a similar approach to someone who had a lot of time on there hands and wanted all the theory background of chords as well ....if that was what you wanted.
However you are retired and not everyone here has as much as an hour at least to practice a day ..which is why other simple course approaches like the left hand pop ballad course here can still get people playing chord patterns with about much less time on there hands

 
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I mostly just want to be able to play all kinds of music that you see in popular Fake Books. Like the beatles, old time rock and roll, some blues, etc.
As mentioned in the post at the top that you replied to you cannot apply the same patterns to different styles

Lets get a bit more pratical for the purposes of others on the forum too .why dont you choose a ballad type song ( like yesterday )- beatles or whatever that you have in a fake book ........let me know and I will make the left hand pattern once you have completed step 2 of left hand course on forum ,,you need that preparation at the very least.

 By the way have you seen a a fake book for pop etc.. in PDF form online that members could buy ?
For copyright reasons I cannot include the melody but for epople using the same fake book they could use the actual accomanpiments i could make .....

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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2007, 02:07:35 am »

I have not seen any Fake Books in pdf Mike. I do like the song Yesterday. I can pick out the melody to it pretty easy, but the fingering is not too good yet. I will work on your left hand nwc files and see if I can get better at them.
How about some of you other people on here posting how you are doing and some of the things you are working on? Leave some tips too........... I love tips!

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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2007, 02:27:44 am »

How about some of you other people on here posting how you are doing and some of the things you are working on? Leave some tips too........... I love tips!
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Agreed Cheesy we are waiting in anticipation  Cheesy
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